Discussion:
Window Maker Newbie Questions
Nathan Parker
2012-06-08 23:45:19 UTC
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I finally got my copy of Window Maker going, and I have just a few "newbie" questions while I get started and I should be good to go (for the record I'm running CentOS 5.8 i386):

WindowMaker is currently running in 4:3. However, I'm on a 16:9 widescreen monitor. Is there a way to adjust the resolution of WindowMaker for the 16:9 widescreen monitor?

I'm trying to use the menu editor in WMPrefs to drag items between submenus, but the items aren't easily going there. How can I easily drag an item from one submenu to another when editing menus?

Additionally, how do I add new applications to the menu in Window Maker? Do I have to hunt down the path of the executables?

I also want to try out installing Dock Apps. How does one actually install Dock Apps? I know about the apps themselves, but haven't seen anything about installing Dock Apps.

Lastly, Is there a way to change the menubar menus and icons for my applications themselves to more resemble Window Maker/NeXTSTEP? Apps like FireFox, etc., are still showing "GNOME" icons and menubars, but everything else looks like Window Maker/NeXTSTEP. I'd like to be able to hide the GNOME like menubars and replace them with Window Maker/NeXTSTEP-looking menubars in applications and make the icons look more like Window Maker/NeXTSTEP as well.

Any help is much appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

Nathan Parker
Tobia Tesan
2012-06-11 18:54:47 UTC
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Post by Nathan Parker
WindowMaker is currently running in 4:3. However, I'm on a 16:9
widescreen monitor. Is there a way to adjust the resolution of
WindowMaker for the 16:9 widescreen monitor?
You don't adjust the resolution of WindowMaker, you adjust the
resolution of the whole X Session.
Try

$ xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1440x900

Where VGA1 is your monitor and 1440x900 is the desired resolution.
You can see the available options with xrandr with no parameters.

Then make sure to restart WindowMaker (xrandr support is experimental
AFAIK).
Post by Nathan Parker
I'm trying to use the menu editor in WMPrefs to drag items between
submenus, but the items aren't easily going there. How can I easily
drag an item from one submenu to another when editing menus?
Don't know, but you always have the option of editing the text file.
Post by Nathan Parker
Additionally, how do I add new applications to the menu in Window
Maker? Do I have to hunt down the path of the executables?
As long as they are in your path, you shouldn't have to use the complete
path.
Anyway, you can always find it via the which command - e.g.

$ which bash
/usr/bin/bash
Post by Nathan Parker
I also want to try out installing Dock Apps. How does one actually
install Dock Apps?
Like anything else - compile them yourself from the tarball and/or use
the repositories provided by your distro.
Then just type their name in an xterm and they will appear on screen.
You can then move them around, dock them and tell WM to make them part
of the default session via the right mouse button.
Post by Nathan Parker
Lastly, Is there a way to change the menubar menus and icons for my
applications themselves to more resemble Window Maker/NeXTSTEP?
Yes, there are a number of ways (config files, dbus, etc...), but you'd
probably better off asking a GTK ML.
Anyway, Paul Seelig, the guy who does WMLive, knows for sure how to do
that, and he posts on this list.
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Paul Seelig
2012-06-11 21:45:44 UTC
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Post by Nathan Parker
Lastly, Is there a way to change the menubar menus and icons for my
applications themselves to more resemble Window Maker/NeXTSTEP?
Anyway, Paul Seelig, the guy who does WMLive, knows for sure how to do
that, and he posts on this list.
To tell the truth, I don't really know how to do that and also wouldn't
really want to waste time with such detailed eye candy configurations.

My personal interest for WMLive is not to create a NeXTSTEP lookalike,
but to provide a usable working environment with homogeneous looks based
on Window Maker. I am trying to make the GTK applications more or less
match the default Window Maker looks, as it is not really possible the
other way round due to the WINGs widget set limitations.

I happily leave all eye candy activities to people who can afford to
invest more time on such superfluous aspects than i would ever be
willing to.

Form follows function, and function should always be first.

Best regards
Paul
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Nathan Parker
2012-06-11 23:44:46 UTC
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Thanks for the responses!


1. Working on the resolution now.
2. I got it working on the menu dragging. Just took practice. :-)
3. Got some apps added too. Just did some digging. Getting the hang of it.
4. Sounds good. I'll explore them and take a look around.
5. I'm wondering if installing GNUSTEP would possibly help? Would it provide me a more NeXTSTEP-like environment? Window Maker has DEFINITELY made my work environment much more enjoyable, and I'd like to keep going and just eliminate GNOME as much as possible and have a more NeXTSTEP like environment to work in for simplicity.

Thanks!

Nathan

From: Tobia Tesan <tobia.tesan-***@public.gmane.org<mailto:tobia.tesan-***@public.gmane.org>>
Date: Monday, June 11, 2012 2:54 PM
To: Nathan Parker <nparker-***@public.gmane.org<mailto:***@mallardcomputer.com>>, <wmaker-user-RusutVdil2hon1QtmlkkSGui9UKz+***@public.gmane.org<mailto:wmaker-user-RusutVdil2jZVJ/***@public.gmane.orgwmaker.org>>
Subject: Re: Window Maker Newbie Questions

Il 09/06/2012 01:45, Nathan Parker ha scritto:
WindowMaker is currently running in 4:3. However, I'm on a 16:9
widescreen monitor. Is there a way to adjust the resolution of
WindowMaker for the 16:9 widescreen monitor?

You don't adjust the resolution of WindowMaker, you adjust the
resolution of the whole X Session.
Try

$ xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1440x900

Where VGA1 is your monitor and 1440x900 is the desired resolution.
You can see the available options with xrandr with no parameters.

Then make sure to restart WindowMaker (xrandr support is experimental
AFAIK).


I'm trying to use the menu editor in WMPrefs to drag items between
submenus, but the items aren't easily going there. How can I easily
drag an item from one submenu to another when editing menus?

Don't know, but you always have the option of editing the text file.

Additionally, how do I add new applications to the menu in Window
Maker? Do I have to hunt down the path of the executables?

As long as they are in your path, you shouldn't have to use the complete
path.
Anyway, you can always find it via the which command - e.g.

$ which bash
/usr/bin/bash


I also want to try out installing Dock Apps. How does one actually
install Dock Apps?

Like anything else - compile them yourself from the tarball and/or use
the repositories provided by your distro.
Then just type their name in an xterm and they will appear on screen.
You can then move them around, dock them and tell WM to make them part
of the default session via the right mouse button.



Lastly, Is there a way to change the menubar menus and icons for my
applications themselves to more resemble Window Maker/NeXTSTEP?

Yes, there are a number of ways (config files, dbus, etc...), but you'd
probably better off asking a GTK ML.
Anyway, Paul Seelig, the guy who does WMLive, knows for sure how to do
that, and he posts on this list.



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Rodolfo kix Garcia
2012-06-12 18:51:19 UTC
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Post by Nathan Parker
Thanks for the responses!
* Working on the resolution now.
* I got it working on the menu dragging. Just took practice. :-)
* Got some apps added too. Just did some digging. Getting the hang
of
it.
* Sounds good. I'll explore them and take a look around.
* I'm wondering if installing GNUSTEP would possibly help? Would it
provide me a more NeXTSTEP-like environment? Window Maker has
DEFINITELY made my work environment much more enjoyable, and I'd like
to keep going and just eliminate GNOME as much as possible and have a
more NeXTSTEP like environment to work in for simplicity.
Nathan,

probably you are not subscribed to the mail list and John must approve
your mails. Probably is better you subscribe to the maillist, solve the
doubts and then, unsubscribe (if you want, you are welcome).

About your last question, Wmaker is written in C, and don't use
GNUstep, then install it don't helps.

Saludos
kix
Post by Nathan Parker
Thanks!
Nathan
Date: Monday, June 11, 2012 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: Window Maker Newbie Questions
Post by Nathan Parker
WindowMaker is currently running in 4:3. However, I'm on a 16:9
widescreen monitor. Is there a way to adjust the resolution of
WindowMaker for the 16:9 widescreen monitor?
You don't adjust the resolution of WindowMaker, you adjust the
resolution of the whole X Session.
Try
$ xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1440x900
Where VGA1 is your monitor and 1440x900 is the desired resolution.
You can see the available options with xrandr with no parameters.
Then make sure to restart WindowMaker (xrandr support is experimental
AFAIK).
Post by Nathan Parker
I'm trying to use the menu editor in WMPrefs to drag items between
submenus, but the items aren't easily going there. How can I easily
drag an item from one submenu to another when editing menus?
Don't know, but you always have the option of editing the text file.
Post by Nathan Parker
e executables?
As long as they are in your path, you shouldn't have to use the complete
path.
Anyway
ays find it via the which command - e.g.
$ which bash
/usr/bin/bash
I also want to try out installing Dock Apps. How does one actually
install Dock Apps?
Like anything else - compile them yourself
Post by Nathan Parker
n an xterm and they will appear on screen.
You can then move them around, dock them and tell WM to ma
of the default session via the right mouse button.
Lastly, Is there a way to change the menubar menus and icons for my
applications themselves to more resemble Window Maker/NeXTSTEP?
Yes, there are a number of ways (config files, dbus, etc...), but you'd
probably better off asking a GTK ML.
Anyway, Paul Seelig, the
Post by Nathan Parker
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Michael Corral
2012-06-15 21:18:31 UTC
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Post by Nathan Parker
Lastly, Is there a way to change the menubar menus and icons for my
applications themselves to more resemble Window Maker/NeXTSTEP? Apps like
FireFox, etc., are still showing "GNOME" icons and menubars, but everything
else looks like Window Maker/NeXTSTEP. I'd like to be able to hide the GNOME
like menubars and replace them with Window Maker/NeXTSTEP-looking menubars
in applications and make the icons look more like Window Maker/NeXTSTEP as
well.
For GTK+ applications like Firefox you could use the GTK2-Step theme.
You'll have to do some searching to find it, since it doesn't seem to be
on the art.gnome.org site anymore. But if you do find it and install it
under /usr/share/themes/GTK2-Step, put this in your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file:

include "/usr/share/themes/GTK2-Step/gtk-2.0/gtkrc"

Though not a perfect imitation, it does give GTK+ programs a fairly
decent NeXTSTEPish look. I'd recommend installing GNUstep if you really
want that look. It was fairly easy to build from source on Fedora 17,
but it may be a little tougher for you on CentOS because of the older
versions of gcc and some other dependencies. The look will only apply
to GNUstep apps, of course, and there aren't that many, unfortunately.

To give you an idea, here's a screenshot of my Window Maker setup in
Fedora 17 with several GNUstep applications running:

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The GNUstep apps are: Terminal, Affiche (post-it notes), MPDCon (music),
GWorkspace (file manager), Charmap, Emacs (notice the detached menu).
And for Firefox I even got the NeXTSTEPish scrollbar on the left, as it
should be. :)

Michael
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